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Creation's Tiny Mystery
Appendix: Transcription of Robert V. Gentry's Cross-Examination from Audio Tape

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Line  Mr. Ennis (Attorney for the ACLU):
QDr. Gentry, I am not asking you about which techniques were
used. I am simply asking you, it is true, is it not, that when your
data was re-examined using more sensitive techniques that it was
found that superheavy elements were not present. Is that true or
false?


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AWhat I am trying to tell you is that in examining the inclusions
again we used the same techniques we used to begin with. So
it wasn't that we necessarily had to use more sensitive techniques—
. . . [partly unclear or inaudible]. It turns out we didn't do, the people
doing the [original] experiments didn't [properly] do the blank
background experiments. [Note: The original experiments used
protons and the later ones used x rays to fluoresce the giant-halo
inclusions, but x-ray analysis was the detection technique used in both
experiments.]
QYou testified at some length about a letter from the National
Science Foundation, July 11, 1977, which denied your application
for a particular grant.
AYes.
QIs it not fair to say that that letter concluded that one of the
reasons they denied your grant application at that time was that the [p. 309]
panel felt that you and your colleagues were to be faulted for the
techniques you used in coming to your initial conclusion that there
were superheavy elements?
AYes, I believe it did say that.



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QDid not that rejection letter go on to say that the panel felt
that the principal investigator and his colleagues should have checked
out all such possible reactions before publication because we know
that that technique might produce the results you found? Is it not
true?
AI think what you are saying is generally true.
QNow, Dr. Gentry, I am not trying to embarrass you on this
point because you yourself candidly acknowledged by your own
admission—
AThere is no problem.
QYou acknowledged by your own admission, did you not, that
the evidence described in that earlier paper was not due to superheavy
elements but was due to a more conventional phenomena?
AThat's right.
QThat's not the only time you have published conclusions you
later retracted, is it?
ANo, that is right.
QIn fact, didn't you once invent new alpha activity to account
for some ghost rings in radiohalos?
AYes, if you are referring to the slides of the Wölsendorf
fluorite—the slides that I showed yesterday—yes.
QAnd did you not later acknowledge that you erred in
inventing new alpha activity?
200 A. . . [inaudible] I surely did.
QSo you have published conclusions in this field before which
later have turned out to be wrong.
AWhich I later said that were wrong, yes.
QIn August of this year did an attorney named Wendell Bird
ask you if you would be willing to testify for the State in this case?
AYes, he did. We discussed that.
QYou would concede, would you not, that a scientist can have
observations in accord with a theory but that would not necessarily
confirm the proof of it.
AThat is correct.
QHenderson's theories do explain the existence of Po-210 halos
even in the absence of uranium halos in coalified wood in a
conventional, natural-law way, do they not?
A. . . (inaudible] no. There are uranium halos and polonium
halos in coalified wood.
QBut not occurring exactly in the same halo rings. There is
migration, is that not correct? [p. 310]
AYes, the uranium halos and the polonium-210 halos are
different.
220 QYes, that's what I am asking. You mentioned in your
testimony some scientists, I believe you mentioned Wheeler—
AYes—
QAnd Anders. Is it not true that Wheeler and Anders and other
scientists who have read your material think that a conventional
natural law explanation will be found for the existence of other
polonium halos in granites?
AYes, they do.
QI have no further questions.

Transcribed from audio tape recorded by P. Merkel, Official Court Reporter, U.S. District Court, Little Rock, Arkansas.

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